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Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:57 pm
by Hollywood1
I am using 3/32 tungsten and 1/16th er70s2 filler for 120 wall dom 1 and 3/4 tubing. Fit up is tight. It seems to be too much filler. I was thinking about trying .045 instead any opinions? Thanks John.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:58 pm
by Hollywood1
Local store does not have any .045. Or I would have tried it. like I said fit up is tight.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:17 am
by Rick_H
I use 1/16" often, are you Welding .095" wall?

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:36 am
by dynasty200sd
With 0.120" wall tubing being welded to 0.120" wall tubing, each leg of your fillets should be 0.120" for the strongest weld without over-welding.

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Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:43 am
by Hollywood1
Welding .120 to a smaller wall horizontal seatbelt tube around .60 to.80 or so. Fit up is perfect. No gap.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:58 am
by AFR_Autoworks
What amperage are you welding at? On my old welder I would weld .095 DOM at about 110amp with a trigger setup so it was all in. I also use 1/16 er70s-2. The biggest advice I can give (not knowing your current skill level) it make sure your tungsten is sharp. Any time I get even the slightest imperfection in the tungsten I re sharpen or change it. Also, ensure that your base material is puddled before you add filler. Everyone builds and welds roll cages differently but I love all my material to be surgically clean before I weld. I even go as far as polishing the inside of the coped tube. Do you have any pictures of the welds in question?

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:40 pm
by Hollywood1
Here are a couple of pictures. I ended up using a little more amperage. Thanks for any opinions. john

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:41 pm
by Hollywood1
Here is one more picture.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:38 pm
by AFR_Autoworks
That looks quite good! Glad you got it figured out. I used to use the 1 amp per .001" rule but found it was not hot enough. After I started welding hotter and slower my welds turned out allot better. I also found pulling the torch back to add filler helped too but that is just personal preference.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:41 pm
by Hollywood1
Thanks. I couldn't get the filler to melt right at first. Now with 130 amps works great. I appreciate the advice AFR.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:18 pm
by Rick_H
Looks good, I agree more amps will help I find that is one of the largest mistakes, guys weld too cold.

Are you pulsing, or just moving the torch that far between dabs?

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:04 pm
by Hollywood1
Thanks Rick. That is manual pulse. John.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:58 pm
by dynasty200sd
Hollywood1 wrote:Welding .120 to a smaller wall horizontal seatbelt tube around .60 to.80 or so. Fit up is perfect. No gap.
From the AWS (American Welding Society), when welding fillets; each leg of the weld can equal the thinner wall of the tubes being welded together when welding two tubes of different wall thicknesses.

Or, each leg can equal the wall thickness for that side of the weld (i.e., if leg A is against a tube with a wall of 0.125", and leg B is against a tube with a wall of 0.250"; you would weld leg A 0.125" away from the weld's throat, and leg B would be welded 0.250" away from the weld's throat).

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:08 am
by AFR_Autoworks
If you are using a manual pulse I know most guys run in the realm of 150 amps on .120 wall. So you may want to even experiment with more heat. I guess it would be related to how you pulse

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:28 am
by Rick_H
Hollywood1 wrote:Thanks Rick. That is manual pulse. John.
I would recommend doing some etching and destructive testing to make sure you have enough penetration... Pulsing can be deceiving at times.

I usually do not use pulse while doing cages or something structural.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:31 pm
by Hollywood1
Rick H. I have to thank you for your post. I just tried welding normally at 130 amps with no pulse and just got the best results yet. Iam confident now that there is plenty of penetration and the weld actually looks better. I cant tell you how many times ive heard people say do not pulse etc, and this whole time ive been manually pulsing and messing around with different pulse settings on the machine and my welding now looks better than any pulse settings. I guess its true. If you are a good enough welder u can weld just as well without the pulse or better in my opinion. thanks for all the tips. I have only been welding for almost a year now and with the help of this forum I am where I am at today with all of my welding thanks again. John

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:34 pm
by Hollywood1
Heres some stainless tubing to a header flange.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:44 pm
by big gear head
Looking good!

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:45 pm
by MosquitoMoto
You're doing great work, Hollywood.

Hope I'm welding half as well as you are now when I have a year's experience under my belt.



Kym

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:50 am
by Hollywood1
Thanks everyone for the kind words. Like I said, until now I discovered I can generally weld better without the pulse. Funny thing, I think I can just see the puddle better for starters. Other than running 120 - 150 Hz on a.c. and some cleaning action adjustments, I can say I will no longer be using pulse unless I have to bridge a big gap. I've tried all sorts of pyrex cups , standard cups, pulse, manual pulse, etc I weld with a #7 gas lens and that's what I use all the time period. All the videos and forum and people's great suggestions on the forum really helped. Thanks. Hey Kym looking forward to seeing some of your upcoming projects soon!

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:52 am
by Hollywood1
Big gearhead what u been working on lately?

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:34 am
by big gear head
Welded some bolt holes in a '65 Corvette intake manifold to repair some damaged threads. Welded a titanium fixture at work that had broke because the person who welded it before didn't use any filler wire. Welded some stainless steel wire racks. Nothing really interesting. I can't take pictures of anything that I do at work, which is where I do most of my welding. Most of the work in my shop lately has been building engines, transmissions and rear ends. I haven't had much weld work in my shop lately.

Your aluminum tanks are looking really good. You thought about building yourself a radiator?

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:29 am
by Hollywood1
That's pretty neat man. I just built my first nine inch ford. Took a while to get the pattern right. I commend you on that. Do you do any cage work and if so do u have any pointers or pictures Torvalds? Thanks John.

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:30 am
by Hollywood1
Auto correct sucks. Pictures of cage welds?

Re: Help with tig welding roll cage

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:13 am
by big gear head
I've done 6 cars. The last one I did was a '66 Nova that got a 4140 cage. I'll try to post some pictures of it later. The one thing that bothers me about a lot of chassis builders is that they want to use as little filler as possible. It scares me when I see some of the welds that they put on important pieces. I've asked why they do it and they tell me that they can cut 5 or 10 pounds out of the car if they don't use much filler. I've seen what happens to some of these welds when the car is damaged in a crash. One car had the bars broke off of the frame rails so clean that it could have been welded on again without any prep work. Just be sure that your welds are at least as thick as the thinnest tube that you are welding. Don't worry about saving weight in the welds, just be sure that the driver will survive a crash.