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How important is cup size

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:15 pm
by JonF
I seem to have forgotten how to TIG weld. I'm not sure what kind of steel I'm welding on, but I can get a puddle going pretty good for about 1/2 an inch, and then the puddle bubbles and spits, etc. I noticed that my gas lens collet was dirty, so I went to change it. I only have a 3/32 non gas lens collet but the cup that fits it is only 3/8". Is it OK to use 3/32 tungsten with this smaller cup?

Re: How important is cup size

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:22 pm
by jakeru
For stainless it might be a little narrow (depending on amount of stickout you need, and how hot you are getting the metal.) For mild steel, it should be OK.
http://www.ckworldwide.com/tech-3.pdf

If you think you might be having shielding gas issues, make sure you don't have excessive tungsten stick-out or excessive arc length. For a non gas lens cup I would try and keep stickout to no more than 1/2 of the cup diameter. Gas lens cup can support as much as the inside cup diameter stickout with still ambient air condition.

If you are welding in a wind or draft, try and shield the wind, close the garage door, reposition or turn off a fan blowing into your weld area, etc.


Steel doesn't *need* really good shielding gas coverage to weld OK (get good, strong, ductile metal fusion), but you sure can make those steel welds look a lot prettier if you do (IE: treat it as if it were stainless steel, use a wide cup, plenty of post-flow, avoid getting the metal too hot, etc.) It makes the different between a "dull gray" look versus clean, shiney appearing weld beads, with "rainbow" oxide film colors.

For stainless it's critical to not to let it oxidize very much, in particular you want to avoid when the metal expands with internal/porous "gas bubbles", which makes it very weak and brittle, puddle won't flow well, etc. Oxidizing stainless I can't remember really "spitting" however.

Spitting could be from some kind of contamination, like rust, oil, water, maybe even zinc/galvanized coating. So ideally try and prepare your metals to a bright, shiney, dry, and solvent cleaned state.

Re: How important is cup size

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:19 pm
by JonF
Thanks for the help.

Re: How important is cup size

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:05 pm
by kermdawg
Id try and figure out exactly what your welding on. Secondly be sure you clean it -real- good, theres no contamination in the tungsten, and your filler rod is real clean as well.

Re: How important is cup size

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:12 pm
by sschefer
Spitting can happen for about a bizillion reasons. Jakeru hit all the setup issues but not knowing what type of metal you have is probably the biggest contributor. Here's a thought, get out the grinder and do a spark test. The color of the spark will get you a realy close guess and then you can setup you equipment accordingly. I used to have a link to a spark guide but I doesn't work now. You can try some similar metals you have laying around that you know the type and compare them.

Re: How important is cup size

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:34 pm
by kermdawg
A -very- basic spark test guide. No color pictures but it does include a lot of differant types of metals/alloys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_testing

hope that helps. Be sure to pay attention to the colors that the sparks give off, as thats probably the biggest tell. good luck!