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Dancing arc when trying to fillet weld

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:47 pm
by Wingnutt
When I attempt to do a fillet weld (I'm using a Primeweld TIG225), I cannot get a single puddle to form. I usually get one puddle on the horizontal piece and another on the vertical piece. But even with a good fit-up, the puddles won't flow together into the single pretty puddle that I see in all of Jody's videos. Sometimes, my arc will dance from one piece to the other and never really form a puddle. I'm working with some thinner (.054" wall) square tubing for this project, even on thicker material I have the same problem; for some reason, my arc doesn't want to go into the root where both pieces meet.

For this project, my settings are as follows: 3/32 tungsten, .045 filler rod (MIG wire), 75 AMPS, 1.5 pulses per second, and Jody's recommendation of 33% on time and 33% background amperage. Also, I'm using a Furick #8 clear gas lens with about 3/8" tungsten stick-out and right about 20 sqfh of 100% Argon. Lastly, I'm trying to hold the tungsten about 1/8" from the material.

Any suggestions?

Re: Dancing arc when trying to fillet weld

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:31 pm
by cj737
This is common and in fact, what is expected. The trick is to get the puddle started on the bottom, then whip up to the vertical, puddle and very quickly back to the bottom and introduce filler. Pause a moment until the filler wets in on both edges and fills the root. Then proceed.

You might try dropping to a #5 cup until you get a bit more experience as the cup size allows a tighter arc to the material.

Re: Dancing arc when trying to fillet weld

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:29 pm
by Oscar
Hold the tip of the tungsten less than 1/16" from the material. You did not mention the orientation which is very important. Is the square tube standing on end, butted up against something else? The devil is in the details.

Re: Dancing arc when trying to fillet weld

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:08 pm
by drizzit1aa
cj737 has the right of it. Could also have to do with tungsten prep., sharpen it to the angle you want and grind a flat on it. Also if you're not putting enough amps into it that can happen.

Re: Dancing arc when trying to fillet weld

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:35 am
by tweake
Wingnutt wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:47 pm ........... .045 filler rod (MIG wire),................Lastly, I'm trying to hold the tungsten about 1/8" from the material.
your simply holding it way to far back and long arcing it, which is why its dancing.
a rough rule of thumb is to hold off the work the thickness of your filler.

if you still have trouble with it nice and close, then check tungsten and amps (higher pulse rates need higher amps).

Re: Dancing arc when trying to fillet weld

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:05 pm
by Wingnutt
I haven't had time to get back out to the shop, but I will definitely give these suggestions a try.