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Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:17 pm
by Taddfab
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I've been welding a bunch of 1/8" wall square tubing together and I've been beck welding stringer beads to counter the warping... All of my fillet welds are perfect, but when I weld the 1-1/2" long stringer bead- I get a little butthole at the end EVERY TIME. I've tried going back into it, swirling, back and forth- to no avail. It won't affect anything- but I hate the way it looks...

Any suggestions?

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:29 pm
by Wes917
Are you tapering off when you swirl? An extra dab of filler at the end helps to. It looks like you need to clean your workpiece some to. There's a lot of contaminate just sitting there.

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:09 pm
by weldin mike 27
Those are stick welds. A big deal in Europe is to attach a pendant amp control to your (capable) stick welder, and adjust it as you weld, with your opposite hand, and then taper of the amps completely at the end as with tig welding. Don't break the arc.

In your case, I would break the arc, wait a second, and then do a little dab on the crater, before the pin hole forms. (As in whilst still very orange hot.

Mick

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:29 pm
by Otto Nobedder
If this is a MIG question, rather than a misplaced TIG question, you need to learn the art of the "button-off".

The "button-off" means simply pausing about 1/4 second at the end, and hitting the trigger again for another 1/4 second.

The timing is approximate, and depends on the size of your weld.

Steve S

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:58 pm
by AKweldshop
Is this Mig, Tig, or Stick?? :?:

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:22 am
by Taddfab
Sorry! I thought I put it in the title...

It is stick. 3/32" E308-16 rods

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:41 am
by Otto Nobedder
No, Taddfab, my apologies...

While you weren't specific about the 308 rod, I was reading so many forums I missed that you'd posted in the SMAW forum, and should have noticed...

The same "button-off" advice still works, but the method is different, obviously. At the tail-off, I suggest you long-arc it a good ways until the puddle begins to chill, and dive back in for a good half-second. The actual timing will take some practice, but the idea is the same.

While I think in your case that li'l dimple is harmless, the ultimate solution would be to do half the weld from each side, meeting in the middle.

Steve S

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:53 am
by Owr
Warning, wall of text approaching :)

Problem with welding ss with stick is a lot of heat. I think your puddle is getting very hot towards the end of the bead and the filler metal is somewhat sinking into the base metal more. Try with the rod angle - when nearing the edge slowly turn the rod in the opposite direction so you should "slide" the rod over the edge of the pipe with a push (go a little over the corner). Watch your weld speed and watch for undercut or spilling over. And keep a tight arc length, don`t extend the arc length otherwise you will get the thing even more hot.

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:54 pm
by jwright650
the rod angle - when nearing the edge slowly turn the rod in the opposite direction
<---that has helped me as well...keep the arc tight though.

Re: Hole at end of stringer bead?

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:43 pm
by Braehill
Owr +1

Len