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Welding test

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:12 pm
by Aaronj321
Hello all,

testing

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:57 pm
by weldin mike 27
Being a beginner, this isn't the best thing to tackle, especially on a good engine. I'd look into something like this, http://www.metalockaustralia.com/metal_stitching.php

Or ask your machine shop about your options. Welding may be able to help, but not for a newb. No offence.

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:11 am
by snoeproe
Don’t braze it. The strength isn’t there with braze on an engine block.
It needs a cast iron filler rod. Pre heat and slow cooling are a must.
If not done properly, it will crack.

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:44 am
by weldin mike 27
I've been looking more at the metal stitching things. Have a look at www.locknstitch.com to see exactly what the process can do.

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:18 pm
by Arno
Stitching might be an option, but here I think it's too close to the edge and the load from the fastener wanting to spread the crack open as the head is torqued down will overwhelm it.

I think the only way to possibly repair it is to grind a V groove all the way into the block until the crack is gone and then to repair it with a high nickel rod like usually done for cast iron. Also check for secondary cracks on the other face. It may well be that a whole corner is ready to break off.

Also likely the whole block will need a significant pre-heat and slow cooldown to stop it cracking as the weld cools. After that the hole will need re-tapping and the block re-machined and checked for straightness on the head mating surface but also the crank bore.

Unfortunately repairs like these do carry a high risk of warping or distorting the block and scrapping it.

Unless this is a highly machined and expensive or very, very rare engine block I'd say the best course of action is to cut your losses and scrap this one and get a replacement block. Labour and machining costs to get this fixed properly will be quite steep.

Bye, Arno.

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:10 pm
by Poland308
weldin mike 27 wrote:I've been looking more at the metal stitching things. Have a look at http://www.locknstitch.com to see exactly what the process can do.
Never seen those before. I’ll keep that one in mind.

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:25 am
by weldin mike 27
Seems to be a very good thing

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:18 pm
by Coldman
I agree with everything said here.

That is why I would not hesitate to use this tig wire and process:
https://ezweldtigwire.com/

I know others here have not had success with it, I have. It's worked for me every time and I love it. I always keep some on the shelf. Iv'e done machine repair, pressure valve repair etc. No failures yet in the field so longevity is good.

No pre or post heat required. Just prep and weld.

I'd get a couple tacks in to hold it in place. Definitely drill a hole at the end of the crack to stop it, or complete the break - you must deal with it.
Then vee it out with a dremel or burr and retack. Cut out the first tacks and vee. Then go for it.

If it requires milling and tapping afterwards so be it. To be expected I suppose.

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:08 am
by snoeproe
If the part requires machining after welding, then a nickel alloy filler metal is best to use.
Cast iron filler metals are non machineable for the most part.

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:44 pm
by Poland308
Coldman wrote:I agree with everything said here.

That is why I would not hesitate to use this tig wire and process:
https://ezweldtigwire.com/

I know others here have not had success with it, I have. It's worked for me every time and I love it. I always keep some on the shelf. Iv'e done machine repair, pressure valve repair etc. No failures yet in the field so longevity is good.

No pre or post heat required. Just prep and weld.

I'd get a couple tacks in to hold it in place. Definitely drill a hole at the end of the crack to stop it, or complete the break - you must deal with it.
Then vee it out with a dremel or burr and retack. Cut out the first tacks and vee. Then go for it.

If it requires milling and tapping afterwards so be it. To be expected I suppose.
I’d be willing to try it. You are only limited by the filler metal. 70 years ago your only brazing option was brass. Not many people braze with brass only today.

Re: Cast iron engine block repair

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:20 am
by Gunhappy
[quote="weldin mike 27"][/quote]
Can you please approve my new member posts soI can get some questions answered? Thanks