Thanks for those links I may be putting them to use. I like to think I am a pretty good fitter but sometimes I come accross one thats baffling.

I'd like to see a demonstration of the proper marking and fit up of a 90 degree saddle i know its more of a fitting subject than welding but a lot of jobs now a days want the welder to be his own fitter.
Thanks from an Alaskan welder